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BLEMMY"Parasite Identification Help Please" 10:13pm Tuesday 5th Jun
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Hi Fellow Members,

I have just completed 2 treatments of Kusuri Formalachite 7 days apart - the second dose was put in the pond exactly 7 days ago this evening. I used the treatment because I had identified Chillodonella. Today - one fish - a showa - was lying on the bottom and refusing to feed although would move if disturbed before going back to bottom again. I netted the fish and no sign of any wounds etc. I scraped several other fish and found no parasites - all other fish eating and swimming normally except the showa and a Tancho that was showing stress lines but otherwise acting normally and eating. On scraping the showa I found the parasites on the attached video. Can anyone help to identify them please and suggest a treatment? All parameters are fine (PH 8.0, KH 6, Ammonia 0, Nitrite 0, water temperature 18C (Ambient).

Many thanks


Paul



4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
14TB

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 10:24pm Tuesday 5th Jun


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no video,


Tony


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 3:49pm Wednesday 6th Jun
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Hi Tony,

Sorry about missing video - tried to upload it last night but it was too big - too many MBs.

I've been advised in work today how to upload the video to a website and send the URL to whoever wants to look at it on that website. Will do that this evening and if you or anyone else could have a look at it and give me their views I would be so grateful. In my inexperienced eye I thought firstly it was costia but their movement is not like one would expect from costia (to slow and sort of not jerky enough if you know what I mean!?) and I'm wondering now if they are small juvenile flukes that the single pass of supaverm may have for some reason missed?

Fingers crossed I can get you the URL posted on here this evening around 5.30pm - 6.00pm.

Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 3:59pm Wednesday 6th Jun


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Chilodonella caudata ciliado - ciliate


if you forget your history, you will repeat your mistakes, RoyH


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 6:11pm Wednesday 6th Jun | message edited 10 times
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Hi Guys,

Here's the link to the video:

https://send.firefox.com/download/9f4ff052ee/#G2cq6Sr1k3_rWddgJwp3IA

For some reason only part of the link came through highlighted blue so directly clicking on the link doesn't work. To view the video just copy the entire link (blue and black letters) to your browser and hit enter it will take you to the video (takes a few minutes to download)

Thanks

Paul




4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 7:04pm Wednesday 6th Jun | message edited 2 times
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Hi Tony,

Try this link to the video: https://send.firefox.com/download/9f4ff052ee/#G2cg6Sr1k3_rWddgJwp3IA

Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
dave23869"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 8:02pm Wednesday 6th Jun


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Link doesn't work for me get a message saying link as expired


4000 gallons queni koi drum to jbr plastics bio chamber on bottom drain skimmer line also into drum 55 watt submersible uv 240 litres air and 12 fish
14TB

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 8:42pm Wednesday 6th Jun


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similar message

This link has expired or never existed in the first place!


Tony


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 9:28pm Wednesday 6th Jun
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Hi Tony,,

For some reason only part of the link came through highlighted blue so directly clicking on the link doesn't work as you say. To view the video just copy the entire link (blue and black letters) to your browser and hit enter it will take you to the video (takes a few minutes to download).


I've also sent you a link that does work by pm to your "tonyi4tb" email address

Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
voodoo_15_uk

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 11:14am Thursday 7th Jun


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i've tried copying the entire line and it still says link expired or never existed. may I suggest you try youtube?




Laura

BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 9:27pm Wednesday 6th Jun
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Hi Dave,

For some reason only part of the link came through highlighted blue so directly clicking on the link doesn't work as you say. To view the video just copy the entire link (blue and black letters) to your browser and hit enter it will take you to the video (takes a few minutes to download)

Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
14TB

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 10:00pm Wednesday 6th Jun | message edited once


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Paul,

I cannot get the link to open, maybe someone else can.

Some great info on our koi health tab.

Several you tube sites have videos of koi parasites.

Try this scroll through their videos to the separate parasite links, hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/user/SacKoi/videos


Tony


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 11:00pm Wednesday 6th Jun
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Hi Tony,

Did you try the link I sent you by personal email?

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 12:17am Thursday 7th Jun


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Sorry Paul, I cannot open that either tried 3 times.

Is Roy's video anything like.


Tony


RoyH

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 7:43am Thursday 7th Jun


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some good movies here: - fish parasites


if you forget your history, you will repeat your mistakes, RoyH


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 8:40am Thursday 7th Jun
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Hi Roy,

I also sent my video to you in a pm and you appear to have been able to open it as you felt it was a fluke infestation?

It isn't the greatest of videos and at x100 magnification they were very small hence the question as to what it is?
Opinions have included flukes (but there was no evidence of any adults on the scrape) , chillodonella or costia, (these small critters did look like Costia but seemed to be moving too slowly for Costia)?

I am now leaning towards Costia as I have been advised that the slow movement could be due to the thickness of the mucous on the slide and me not adding a drop of water. I will scrape again this morning and add a drop of water and take it from there.

Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
RoyH

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 11:22am Thursday 7th Jun


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Hi Paul, the problem with your video is i find it a difficult format to open & yes i saw the parasites which look like fluke to me & the problem is that there is no comparison on the sample slide ie trich which would help with the size.

at these summer temps costia would be moving very fast & perhaps the mucus is slowing them down so if you think your sample is too thick try a drop of pond water on the slide next time you take a sample.


if you forget your history, you will repeat your mistakes, RoyH


BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 10:36pm Thursday 7th Jun
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Hi Roy,

Took further scrapes today and used a drop of water on the slides. Found the same parasites again at x100 magnification but this time were moving much faster - more like Costia. I then tried x400 magnification and lost some clarity unfortunately but it was apparent they weren't flukes - they were almost egg shaped and moved by tumbling over and over - they are definitely protozoan. Have treated with FMG today.


Thanks

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
RoyH

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"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 7:46am Friday 8th Jun


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Hi Paul, glad you found a more positive result, i always used to describe costia as a fast moving "comma" as in our language which i cant enlarge except type this in the normal size = ,



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BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 8:31am Thursday 7th Jun
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Hi Tony,

It may be that you need to download Firefox send your end to be able to download the video. I can download it my end from the email I sent you by clicking on the Firefox Send link in blue letters.


Thanks for your efforts though.


Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.
deddog"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 9:21pm Friday 8th Jun
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I have looked at the video, the link you posted worked fine in any browser although it was a rather large file.
It certainly looks like Costia it seems the mucus is slowing them down.
If FMG is not effective then potassium permanganate is an alternative that works for me.



Cheers, Dave B
BLEMMY"RE: Parasite Identification Help Please" 10:16am Saturday 9th Jun
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Thanks Dave - I have proceeded on that basis.

Fingers crossed!!

Paul


4400 Gals; gravity fed Nexus 300 to EA 55W UV (fed by dry mounted Messner 13000) and Bakki Shower (4 tray) directly pump fed (20,000 l/hr) from the pond; an independent skimmer line which is fed through a dry mounted pumped small sand filter, Airtec 130, unheated.


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